Idea of having No Ops

Mach · Member

RE: Idea of having No Ops

TNT · Forum Founder

I say give it a try. Personally I've never had any issues with any of the OP's, but then again, that's probably because I am an angelic player and I cause no grief or turmoil. biggrin ...anyhoo...in times passed, there's obviously been strife amongst players and OP's , so I ask myself...What's the BEST thing for Ridic's survival this time around? A fresh page, a new look? If it makes fans and players of Ridic more comfortable to have no OP's, it works for me. It's EVERYBODY'S game and I think its best that we focus on whats best for ALL. Adjust accordingly as needed IF needed. That's me two cents!

TNT

groganbrogan · Say NO to Crocs

I don't think there's too much of a learning curve to tell people in the channel "hey, type /kick whoever" and we'll get rid of this disruptive fool."

I think this is a great idea and you should definitely do it. There's nothing to lose by trying it out.

robbbbbbbbbbbbbb · Caveman

It sounds good other than some of the less computer knowlegable people are still having a rough time getting here and would rather have some help policing channels that trying to figure out how to vote for kick/bans and most will probably want to play their game over being distracted by dealing with the voting to remove trolls/troublemakers.
It could be similar to the idea of everybody being an op until they showed they cant be one within guidelines, that is if you log and review whatever happens in channels.
Just my opinion
Robbbbbbbbbbbbbbb

Mach · Member

I've been giving this a lot of thought lately, and I am leaning toward the idea of having NO player ops. That's right, nada, zilch, zip. Well, except for me, but I'm not really a player. Here is some of my reasoning:

Ops are forced to "police" the channel according to some policy and when players don't agree with the policy then negative feelings get built up against the operator. This can be exacerbated when policies are interpreted in different ways.
There is the perception that ops are bestowed upon favorite people or those that can sweet talk their way into my buddy list. Sadly, if I were bribed for ops with offers of twix or sexual favors I would be hard pressed not to comply.
There is some history, or at least perceived history, of ops abusing privileges in the past.
Ops are really only needed when someone is flooding or being extremely disruptive - so far a rare event on our little server with a pretty small number of players.

So if there are no ops are you just going to be left to fend for yourselves when the latest troll comes in? Not necessarily. Your options would be:

Send me a message and if I'm around I will attempt to deal with it. Otherwise I wouldn't go out of my way to enforce policies.
Vote for a kick/ban. If at least 50% of the players in the room with a minimum of 3 people vote for a kick/ban (determined by unique IP address), then the person is kicked off and banned for some time period (maybe for two games or something). Anyone can initiate the vote, except users on a blacklist. For example, any known troll or abusers would have their addresses put on the blacklist so such a person could not initiate a kick/ban vote. The nice part about this is that you have an option if there is no operator around.

It's possible the vote kick/ban could be abused by a troll or flooder that comes in with a bunch of buddies or bots from different IP addresses. While this would be initially disruptive, I would review vote kick/bans and if improper would add the IP's of such instigators to the blacklist so it at least wouldn't happen a second time. Basically, the vote kick/bans should only be done for flooders or someone being excessively disrespectful, rude, and nasty.

What does everyone think? I am leaning toward giving it a try, because then it will treat all players as peers, and potentially solve long-term problems. I think the ops now are doing fine and there are no problems but based on past experience there will eventually be a problem of some kind.

On the other hand, if the proposed idea results in mass chaos and anarchy I'll be happy to try again!

-- Edited by Mach at 21:58, 2009-02-10